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EFCC's 10% game

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The EFCC, which energetically jumped into the banking crisis and whose chairman moved over 100 agents to Lagos at the height of the financial sector meltdown,is collecting 10 percent of all the monies recovered from debtors on behalf of banks, according to industry and EFCC sources.

This legally dubious and ethically questionable practice means that the EFCC has now profited to the tune of N17 billion from the total of N171 billion it says it has helped collect from some of the biggest debtors in the land, a list that is a who is who of Nigeria's business and political elite.

We have no evidence to suggest that senior EFCC officials, including its chairman, Farida Waziri, are personally benefiting from the windfall. But the practice suggests that the EFCC now sees itself as a debt collector rather than a crime buster. And the law setting up the commission, clearly written to avoid a potential moral quandry, does not allow it take such self compensation from targets of law enforcement.

The ten per cent charge

This revelation introduces a new dynamics to the banking crisis, the role of the EFCC, the current ethical complexion of the agency, and the integrity of regulatory agencies in the country."We of course collect 10 per cent administrative charges for all our labour" an EFCC operative told NEXT, on condition of anonymity, in Abuja at the weekend insisting that "it is not a bribe, it's just administrative, and it's done everywhere in the world, even the police do it here."

Spokesman of the Commission, Femi Babafemi who announced to reporters on Monday, November 2, in Abuja that it had so far recovered N171 billion from the debtors of the banks, vigorously denied that a portion of this had gone into the private pockets of EFCC officials.Mr Babafemiasked: "How can that be? There is absolutely nothing like that. The money is paid into the banks directly. EFCC has agents in those banks and they only co-ordinate the payment directly into the banks. Most of these transactions are not cash based. Whether formally or informally, it is not possible. Anyone who does that in this agency will go to jail. It is an allegation that we have heard and it is an allegation that we have investigated. There is no law allowing us to do that so how will the EFCC do that?" Mr. Babafemi stated.


Scripted Muteness:

NEXT received hostile responses from officials at the distressed banks when this question was posed to them. However, independent investigations confirmed that the practice is widespread."We pay them 10 percent of whatever they recover for us. But it is not only us, go and find out from other banks, we all pay the 10 percent," a spring bank official told NEXT.

Francis Barde, the of Head corporate affairs of Union Bank, however, claims that Union bank does not pay a commission to the EFCC or the Nigerian police. "No charge has been sent to Union Bank for payment by any of the law enforcement agencies.

Therefore, we have paid nothing," Mr. Barde told NEXT in response to our enquiries.

Jude Nwauzor, a corporate communications officer at Spring bank failed to respond to repeated enquiries via text messages, email, and phone calls after an initial pledge to respond to our questions, if we would send them to him by email.

While official Spring Bank response was not forthcoming, inside sources insisted that "this is not the first time we are paying 10 percent to government agencies, we have always paid 10 percent to the police force at any rate, if they help us recover our bad loans. We don't ask questions because what is more important is to recover the money," the bank official told us.

NEXT has documentary evidence of these transactions.In a deal that occurred on October 28, 2009, Spring Bank paid a commission of N50,000 for a 500,000 recovery. The money was paid to the police. This practice, bank officials confess, has been going on for years, even though they are aware that the practice is illegal. They also explain a preference for law enforcement recoveries over those of attorneys. "If we go to recovery agents, we will still pay the 10 percent, so why not give it to the police or the EFCC since they will still help us get our money albeit in a shorter time," a bank chief told NEXT.

While the EFCC denies that they collect the commission, the police, speaking through its public relations chief, Emmanuel Ojukwu, confirmed that they sometimes get paid for their services, though he declined to state the percentage they collect. "Police can collect money for some services rendered, and such is receipted for and paid to the Police Reward fund," he said but distanced the police from debt recovery business. "The police is not employed to collect debts," Mr Ojukwu stated in response to our enquiries.

Mr. Babafemi of the EFCC said he was unaware of police culpability. "I don't speak for any other agency but I can speak for the EFCC. If any other agency is collecting 10 percent, not the EFCC," Mr. Babafemi stressed .

The Spring Bank headache

An indication that the stressed banks are not comfortable with paying a 10 percent commission to the EFCC and another 10 percent to their recovery agents emerged at a meeting the new chief executive of the troubled Spring Bank Plc Olusola Ayodele, had on Wednesday, October 28,in the board room of the bank at its corporate headquarters in Lagos. In attendance were other top executives of the bank and senior management aides. "The mood was typically uneven between our spring bank old hands and the Bank PHB arrivals who we call gold diggers," recalled a senior bank aide who spoke to NEXT in strict confidence, "top on the agenda was how the bank would debrief its recovery agents, law firms, that help us recover our bad loans."

Since she arrived at Spring Bank, sources at the bank told us, Mrs. Ayodele has been gingely finding her way through the vestiges of institutional landmines that line all the operational pathways of the bank since the banking consolidation exercise of 2006.

The 2006 exercise sought to fuse sometimes radically dissimilar institutions into one healthy family but the Spring Bank experiment consistently proved to be a poster-child of institutional chaos. The peak of the turmoil came with the 51 per cent acquisition of Spring Bank by Bank PHB shortly before Christmas last year. The new banking crisis that came with the sacking of the board and management of eight banks including Spring Bank and PHB, racheted up the troubles of the bank,

Faced with a staggering N96 billion debt profile, Mrs. Ayodele thought, according to aides, that the bank was overly haemorrhaging, trying too hard to service her 15 or so debt recovery agents, all of which are major law firms who took 10% of all debt recovered.

"At the end of the meeting, the decision was reached" according to a source at the table, that the bank could not afford to pay this ten per cent agency fees twice, since the Economic and Financial Crimes Commsissions [EFCC] would also receive 10 percent of the recovered sum.""Madam has asked us to stay all our relationships with our recovery agents. You know they were initially helping us on some of these loans. But so as not to make double 10 percent payment, to the agent and the EFCC, we had to terminate all our agreement with the recovery agents," a top bank chief told NEXT.


Lawyers disgust:

Commercial, and criminal lawyers moved swiftly to condemn these charges being collected by the anti-graft agencies. Jiti Ogunye, a Lagos human rights lawyer described the police spokesman's statement as ill advised, and asked a series of question. "Why must you reward the police? Does it have a legal or statutory backing? It is only calling an act of corruption by another name. A police reward fund? Who utilises the fund, what do the police use the money for? Do they use the money to buy guns, or buy vehicles or run their police stations or what? Do they use it to pay their salaries?" Mr. Ogunye asked rhetorically stating that "our superior courts, particularly the court of appeal has said that the police is not a debt recovery agency."

Nevertheless, Mr. Ogunye stated that it was illegal for the EFCC or any agency to collect such funds. "There is no law in Nigeria today that allows security agencies or anticorruption agencies to take any percentage of the money that is recovered in the course of their investigation or in the course of their work" adding that "it is just an act of corruption."

Charles Musa, a criminal law expert speaking from Abuja, said "If it is true, it is most unfortunate. They have no legal basis. It is a flagrant breach of the police act and that will be a very corrupt practice, for the police to collect any money out of money it covers for banks."

Mr. Musa said "the police should not be involved in recovering money because it is a civil matter. If there is a criminal aspect to the case, it is the duty of the police to prosecute that criminal aspect, and leave the negotiation and recovery of money. No money should even be paid to the police or paid to the police station, or even to EFCC."

Regarding the police reward fund, Mr. Musa admitted that "I've not done any research into police reward fund, and I don't know the legal basis" thinking "maybe it is an NGO registered with the CAC" but adding that "If police collect police reward fund, do they give you receipt, and on what basis, is it voluntary. I still think it sounds like a corrupt practice."

Speaking specifically of the EFCC, Mr. Musa said he hoped they were not collecting such money. "EFCC or any law enforcement agency has no basis to collect any such money. No basis to collect any money at all. That is why the EFCC probably denied it. They are aware of that, I will be surprised if they will ever admit to such a thing," he stated.

A case of growing rot in the system

Shortly after arriving back from a trip to the Unites States, the executive Chairman of the agency, Farida Waziri, on Monday November 02, huddled with her operational chiefs in a meeting at the EFCC's training and research Institute in karu, near Abuja. Mrs Waziri complained bitterly about corruption in the ranks.She threatened to get stern on future reports of corruption but insiders say she has given a veil of protection to operatives found guilty but who are from the police ranks. "There is a blatant rank polling here. If you are from the police you are okay but if you come from other institutions, you are held to impossible standards," said a bitter seconded staff. The case of an operative who collected a N13 million bribe who was merely shuffled from one department to another was offered to NEXT an illustrative example of the systemic rot now in the ranks of the agency.

How bad loans were recovered

Prior to the CBN wielding its axe on the management of five banks which it considered "stressed", banks in the country employed law firms as ‘recovery agents' to recover bad loans or non-performing loans from debtors.

Typically, law firms would seek to take debtor companies into receivership (a situation where the bank appoints a new management usually the law firm for the company), asking the court to declare the company bankrupt and thus not able to meet its financial commitments and thus sell the company among others.

These recovery agents, as part of their agency fee, were paid 10 percent of any money they helped the bank recover. However, since the EFCC was called into the case of the troubled banks, the recovery agents have had less to do.

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Posted by dzoid on Nov 08 2009

This is an Irony. I raised this particular question about a month ago and to see that it is now todays headline is quite welcoming: HAS EFCC TURNED TO A BANK? Meeting in Secret? Enh Enh. I am sure EFCC will charge 10% administrative fees + VAT on all the monies collected by them on behalf of these Banks. How much has been collected so far? Are they issuing receipts? If they are, are these Central Bank receipts or the individual banks or EFCCs receipts? What kind of process and procedures are in place to make sure that another scandal does not occur with the collection of these funds from debtors (This time within EFCC)? Money can be evil. I hope all these will not be like the case of “From Frying Pan to Fire”. “To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed”.

Posted by dzoid on Nov 08 2009

This is an Irony. I raised this particular question about a month ago and to see that it is now todays headline is quite welcoming: HAS EFCC TURNED TO A BANK? Meeting in Secret? Enh Enh. I am sure EFCC will charge 10% administrative fees + VAT on all the monies collected by them on behalf of these Banks. How much has been collected so far? Are they issuing receipts? If they are, are these Central Bank receipts or the individual banks or EFCCs receipts? What kind of process and procedures are in place to make sure that another scandal does not occur with the collection of these funds from debtors (This time within EFCC)? Money can be evil. I hope all these will not be like the case of “From Frying Pan to Fire”. “To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed”.

Posted by Chilee Agunanna on Nov 08 2009

If these people collect all this money, then there's no need to pay tax.

Posted by CitizensforNigeria on Nov 08 2009

This is why Nigeria stinks than any other nation. Everyone collects this kind of 'tithes': bankers, police, EFCC, civil servants, even journalists. How else do people survive on meagre salaries? Is 'Egunje' not an accepted practice?

Posted by Tayo Onas (USA) on Nov 08 2009

I really do not see anything wrong in the EFCC collecting 10% that could be used for their admnistrative and operational expenses.Operating organizations like the EFCC is going to be extremely expensive,the question is, who will foot this astronomical expenses? if they do not collect the 10%? The Nigerian govt? I suppose, No way, the Nigerian govt. is practically broke, they just do not want to accept this fact yet.Nigerian govt funds everything in a country where people and corporations do not pay their own share of taxes,even the rich and the leaders are tax dodgers,only a handful of Nigerians do.That being the case,how do we expect the Govt.to fund the EFCC operations well? EFCC need lots of money for new vehicles, updated communication devices,vehicle maintenance,gas,uniforms even,fire arms,and incentive packages for the hardest working and trusted members of the Team. If Nigeria is going to have an effecient EFCC they must be adequately funded with lots of money,may be the 10% is the way to go.If it is not legal now,I will hope the legislative bodies make it legal as soon as possible.I just hope that all the money is accounted for and managed well in the end. In Nigeria, nothing is certain.If EFCC is not well funded by either the GOVT. or other legal means, they will end up like the Nigerian police force and the Nigerian Customs who are notorius bribe takers very soon.Tayo Onas (USA)

Posted by Scubby (A Nigerian in Nigeria) on Nov 08 2009

@Tony from Obama's country, your post portrays you as one of the dumbest Nigerians at home or abroad. "The Nigerian govt is practically broke, they just do not want to accept this fact yet" What the heck does that mean? May I educate you a bit about how corruption thrives in this country. Every new governor that comes to power says during his first or second interview that they met an "empty purse". This excuse that there is no money is the one that allows for the looting of public funds to persist. How then can you say our leaders do not want to admit we are broke if we are? About the EFCC thing, you say you do not see anything wrong with the agency cutting 10%. No matter how well you argue your case, the fact is that at present there is nothing in the law establishing it or any supporting laws that permits this action. If you, therefore think that the law is unreasonable or unsatisfactory, don't sit in America and say this is what I think; come home to Nigeria and lobby the legislature for a review of the existing law. This is how the founding fathers/mothers and great sons/daughters of America got to where they are now.

Posted by Fortunengr on Nov 08 2009

@ Tayo Onas you are a spin head, does the FBI and the CIA collects 10% in the States?? It is people like you that is the reasno Nigeria is not moving forward..keep your mouth shut.ode, olodo

Posted by Uju Onyenanu on Nov 08 2009

This is totally absurd,are'nt they a financial crime agency anymore or their now private detectives now recovering bad debts.Even if they do collect the 10percent,where those it go to.Now thats my question.Where it goes to and how it is handled?

Posted by fadagboye on Nov 08 2009

the nigerian factor has started working on efcc.nuhu how i missed u and ur passion 4 ur fatherland.

Posted by MUSTASH on Nov 08 2009

NEXT, why go to press if you have not completed your investigations? This story as it is is shoddy. There is nothing in it to prove the allegation. It is bad journalism to make allegations and stop there.

Posted by Abebi on Nov 08 2009

The Police reward fund is statutory. Mr Ogunye should acquint himself with the Police act and regulation. The EFCC agents arent living on the moon. their top brass incuding ex Chief ribadu and Mrs farida are among the richest civil servant nigerians. the police is another story.

Posted by Tamoo Tiye on Nov 08 2009

I am not surprised. Does any Nigerian know any government service where bribes are not routinely taken? Under the evil genius (Babangida), bribery of individuals was institutionalised, now, Yar Adua, through the EFCC is blazing the way to corporate government agency bribery. Nigeria has this uncanny way of moving from bad to worse. This is a systemic illness. Probably a terminal one.

Posted by Rigolus Ndidi on Nov 08 2009

I am appalled at Tayo Onas's posting. He says he cannot see anything wrong in an illegality! He represents what we have been fearing most in the pervasive bribery culture of Nigeria - the emergence of a generation which sees corruption and illegality as norms and a way of life. No doubt Tayo has been brainwashed by the Nigerian system to see evil as good. What a shame and a waste !

Posted by Akinluyi on Nov 08 2009

This is not new Messrs NEXT. Interview all those who have had to face the "wrath" of EFCC what amount they had to part with for some kind of lenient handling of their cases. The guy who was jailed for bringing down a Brazilian bank has said as much. There is a story making the rounds of how Farida herself collects money from high profile figures as part of her leniency strategy. Some months ago, the story goes, two governors - one from the South South where there has been a fanfare over the opening of an airport and his colleague from the North Central who prides hmself with bringing foreign farmers to start mechanaised farming on a large scale - had a rendezvous with Farida at a private residence in Abuja where they paid up the leniency fee, since then EFFC heat on the two has cooled off dramatically. Investigate this 10% matter carefully and you will be amazed that this behaviour predates Farida. But most importantly it is a story waiting to be properly told. Nigerians will be SHOCKED !!!!!!

Posted by Eccentric on Nov 08 2009

10% debt recovery bribe or whatever you call it. The truth is you may condemn my idea if you wish(yours may be because you want to condemn without solutions too) but the EFCC was never created to recover debt.You contributors simply write without honesty just because you want to write too. This questions are not being asked genuinely by you folks: How on earth do Banks give bad debts they can recover? Is it the agencies fault to collect money for a job done for private organisations that do not pay it any money? Why cant the banks collect their debts themselves? Or is the agency an NGO that should help private organisations recover debts they knew they will not be able to recover as some of you now think? The truth is most people who contribute do so just because they have Next online where their faces cant be seen. I do not support EFCC though to collect money but then I'm of a strong conviction that banks should made to recover their debts themselves or a law should be passed for debt recoverers to part with some of the money for the job or else the agency should only investigate without recovering any money.Remember neither the FBI or CIA perform this function: they simply investigate contrary to what some of us think. God bless Nigeria

Posted by DOCTOR on Nov 08 2009

I'm sad. Very sad . This is absurd. It is because of inadequacies like this that Nigeria hasnt developed that must have led people like tony to struggle negatively into the US to enable him see things from other angles other than the right angle. Haba.

Posted by Feyi F on Nov 08 2009

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the EFCC collecting a 10% finders fee. Bear in mind that these loans were 'non-performing' meaning that the banks might never have gotten it back without the help of the EFCC. Debt factoring is a common practice everywhere in the world. I will go as far as saying 10% is cheap and well below market rate. In normal accounting practice the banks should have written off the loans from their books in any case. Now if the money gets embezzled by EFCC officials then we have a problem. But as of now they have done nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned...and crucially they are NOT denying it.

Posted by Sapilo on Nov 08 2009

Which part of the EFCC Act allows EFCC to perform this role? To love Nigeria doesn't mean we can't criticise constructively. To take a loan is not a crime, even to default on a loan is not a crime. The crime is when you obtain loans on false information or documentation. This 10% (roger mentality) explains why EFCC have shown a complete disregard for due process. EFCC would be able to positively touch the lives of our people by stopping roger collectors (police) from disturbing decent and hard working Nigerians at checkpoints. Roger is a financial crime, If she is sincere Waziri should address this.

Posted by Tayo Onas (USA) on Nov 08 2009

It is very appauling to read some of these articles and reaction to my comments.I know you are not that smart to know that everyone in Nigeria have the right to air his or her opinions and thoughts in this forum as in any civilized society.Please,there is a difference between banks paying money to debt collectors EFCC in this case, and banks or anyone offering money under the table for such services, You have to think out of the box.It is the same thinking by mindless Nigerians,that always think they know everything but know little. You always complain about everything in Nigeria,but offer no solutions.Ignorance is a big problems for a lot of Nigerians.Fortunengr,It is very stupid and ignorant of you to compare the FBI and the CIA to any Nigerian agency at any level,it is like comparing oranges to apples,the yearly budgets for both the FBI and CIA is probably in the same range as the whole of Nigeria's yearly budget if not more,these american agencies have more than they ever need.Yet,these smart Nigerians want them to perform at the same competency level,business 101. Please,read and understand my article very clearly,before you start running your mouths.Yes,Nigeria is broke,look at our GDP,a country of this size with such a low GDP,then compare it to Switzerland,UK and even South Africa,you will find out that Nigeria is spending the money it does not have.Just because you have oil and some high-rise buildings in Abuja or you drive around in expensive cars does not make Nigeria a rich country. This a country that cannot pay the salaries of her workers,the police and the army regularly at the end of each month,the roads are in horrible shape,the hospitals are in disrepair.Scubby,the intelligent one,have you been to the military and police barracks in Nigeria lately? well,is this the conditions that your police and the military should be living in? please,put on your thinking cap, if you have any. Yes, there is a lot of corruption in Nigeria,there is a lot mis-management in the govt.,but you cannot turn Nigeria into the US overnight and you cannot fix Nigerian problems by blaming everybody.China is a very good example of a country that finds solutions to there problems and they are not trying be any other country. Just for your info,yes,I live in the US,but I also own the largest garment factory in Lagos,it is 100% owned and financed by my hardwork in the US,over 130,000,000 million Naira of my own money,not a single penny came from Nigeria.I employ over 40 workers and intend to employ over 100 more by next year.I pay my workers salaries regularly,just so you know,I am also planning on opening a brand new Textile manufacturing company in Lagos.How is that for a true Nigerian with a mission.Oh!I forget,I also own a Textile factory in Hangzhou China. I do not need to be a politician to fix Nigerian problems or I do not need to lobby at any level, but what I have done for Nigeria in my own little way is more than what you will ever do for the country in your lifetime for the country.Talk is cheap,but please,offer solutions to the Nigerian problems. EFCC is not perfect,but they are doing a great job going after the loan defaulters,419 syndicates,corrupt politicians and bank officials if we want them to succeed they are going to need a lot of money to fight these people.Unless, you guys start paying your taxes every year regularly,may then Nigeria will have enough money to fund the EFCC well. Pay your Taxes

Posted by Tayo Onas (USA) on Nov 08 2009

Feyi,oh! you are so brilliant,a lot of Nigerians are still in the dark ages,when you offer services you should be paid for it,the problem like you said,is what happens to the money after it is collected.Our problems in Nigeria is that we want the Govt.agencies to perform flawlessly without adequate funding or support.Very ingnorant indeed.In the US,if you make a false 911 call to the police and they come to your house, you will pay to the city govt.,if your house alarm goes off without any buglary and the police comes to your house to investigate you will pay,if you accuse anyone of any wrong doing and the person is arrested and prosecuted and it turns out that the person is falsely accused,you will pay all the money for prosecuting the case and you will also be charged for a crime. Yes, all these happens in the US. Nigeria is in bad shape because,we cannot think differently and come up with new ideas of problem solving. What a shame.

Posted by Murray on Nov 08 2009

Next's editors must not allow their refreshing journal to take on the character of Nigerian newspapers. Sloppy news writing and grammatical errors, to state the obvious, hardly do any good to a newspaper's reputation!

Posted by Olas on Nov 08 2009

The Nigerian in us comes out when we feel insulted. I wish our leaders could feel insulted with all that we say to them and about them, then go on to fix the roads, hospitals, learning centres and other maladies. NEXT you are doing a great job! Keep it coming

Posted by Jakumo on Nov 08 2009

Once intercepted, the proceeds of crime are best deployed to fight crime, conveniently lightening the burden on state resources. This pragmatic philosophy is exemplified by the way the US Drug Enforcement Agency retains a HUGE chunk of the raw cash and asset forfeiture income accrued from narcotics busts, to further the cause of apprehending and neutralizing narco-cowboys, whose insidious products and violent conduct so poison societies. Providing that the innocent are never framed, Nigeria's FCC Fraud Squad deserves to keep A FULL 50% of the embezzled loot they trace and seize, so that more advanced surveillance technology, vehicles and weapons can be procured to tip the scales in the favor of the victimized majority, by facilitating the investigation, pursuit and brutal sanction of all those who plunder national wealth in ways that indirectly inflict so many more casualties than could ever be claimed by a mere substance abuse epidemic.

Posted by Scubby (A Nigerian in Nigeria) on Nov 08 2009

Let's not waste any more time and bandwidth on this Tayo person. He is confused. How can anyone say the appalling state of police and army barracks in Nigeria today is as a result of Nigeria being poor? I heard crack was cheap in the US but didn't believe it until now.

Posted by Anopheles (Atlanta, USA) on Nov 08 2009

Next! Please take this ranting Tayo Onas off this page. He is a confused Nigerian "entepreneur" who lives by giving and accepting bribes, and maybe committing other illegalities. His analysis, to say the list is childish and idiotic. He is probably washing some forgotten gutters in Harlem. I think the FBI, whch he loves so much will do well to investigate his source of money.

Posted by Aminu Ontario on Nov 08 2009

Tayo Onas, it is welcome and salutary that you are contributing to the economy of your fatherland but are you not doing this legally? In the UK the anti fraud office collects a per centage of recovered money for administrative purposes but the law in Nigeria clearly makes this illegal as indeed in the US. pls don't miss the important point people are making: that a law enforcement institution cannot invent its own laws independent of the laws of the land. Since it is illegal to collect 10% commission, can you conceive where the N17 billion of the N171 billion already recovered would have gone? EFCC is trying in general, well that isd not the problem or even the issue...are they trying only because they want to make good for themselves? How is this different from what the bank chiefs have done sir?

Posted by olumide on Nov 08 2009

@ Tony. The Nigerian government is poor, I totally agree with you. Havard University and MIT spend more money on research than Nigeria budgets for edducation and health and ifrastsructure. Having said this, Nigeria is not broke. The Federal Government of Nigeria does absolutely nothing. It pays Civil Servants, who constitute less than 10% of the population,that is the only public good it does. My family provides for its own electricity ( generator), water ( well), education (private schools). Food is absurdly expensive and they are now trying to take away the oil 'subsidy'. So the point is what exactly does the government do with the little money it makes. You said it urself, u've built a little empire in Lagos without the Government. People are in the Universities in the US and the Uk on bursaries and Government loans, what is the Nigerian Government doing. Concerning taxes, proferring the tax solution to raise money for Nigeria is sinful. The people do not earn a wage. I dnt know how much u pay your workers bt u'll probably pay them much more if ur company were in the US. The point I'm making is, minimum wage in nIgeria, is 7,500. I think. So Kamoru, gardener in Abuja, earns say 5,000 a month. He has 5 children, and rents an apartment. How do you expect him to feed these children, educate them, pay their health service bills et.c on that salary and still ask that he be taxed. And I can assure you many more people are in direr straits. Unless the govenment and its technocrat sit down to arrive at a logical minimum wage considering all factors, I think it evil to talk about inflicting taxes on the masses. And yes, the new minimum wage whenever it comes, the private and informal sector must be 'forced' to accept it. I can go on and on about a living wage. Concerning the EFCC thing, problem is with persons and policies. The Nigerian framework doesnt distinguish between the person and the office, so say Farida is head of EFCC now and she's a good person, I'm just saying. Say she collects this 10% and it goes into EFCC coffers. Nice ehn. What happens when Farida leaves and Yakubu comes in. How do we know he'll not just put the money in his pocket. Hello Tony, this is NAIJA. It is very difficult to take things from the west and expect them to work.There are always paralyzing circumstances.You have to much faith in this fundamentally flawed system.

Posted by olumide on Nov 08 2009

sorry my comment should have read @ Tayo, nt at tony.and seriously guys, Nigeria makes too little money o. I know it's very difficult to see this, but it is the truth. That is why we seriously need to bring up other sectors, problem is I read a paper the other day, that the land in Nigeria has been over farmed, and that really there is no more Tin in Jos and the Coal in Enugu is exhausted. So if you're wondering where the groundnut pyramids went, then you have the answer because majority of Nigerians and especially in the North are still farming and have access to fertilizwer and stuff. The ground is not just yielding. What shall we do indeed.

Posted by Kubayashi on Nov 08 2009

Nice discussion going on here! But plssssssssssss, when will somebody in d slightest location nearest to where these cold be put to use, take advantage of the situation for good of the majority... I feel like doing something drastic (you know wht I mean) very drastic to somebody to be able to do this! Honestly!!!

Posted by tmaco on Nov 08 2009

@Tayo Onas there is nothing wrong in posting your views as an individual with such rights, but for clarity, you are blowing unacceptable trumpet and personally I am suspecting you have interest on this issue. Every organization has law or act that guids it, and when you go beyong your juridiction of establishment, then it is rightful of all stage holder to voice out. If the new code of percentage of collection is inevitable for better performance, then EFCC should forward there view to the necessary authority for the appropriate step to be taken and making their action legal. We don't use illegality to solve illegality in any organised soceity. Whatever you are or have (If at all on legitimate ground) should be to the glory of God, and not unnecessary trumpet blowing.

Posted by TATA on Nov 08 2009

efcc in private practice...is the money being paid into the cbn or are they spending it without authorisation from the national assembly...the police act and efcc act are two separate legislation...waziri should be tried...

Posted by Deji Saanu on Nov 08 2009

We need to look at this 10% matter from two different angles: (1) Legality (2) Necessity. It can only be legal, if it is in the statutes book, to collect such Money. I am not a lawyer but even general education and common sense will dictate that issues bordering on legality should be handled from the point of view of the statutes book, the constitution and Acts setting-up the EFCC. The Police needs overhaul. On the issue of "Necessity", it becomes only necessary when first, it is legalized. Anything illegal is deemed unnecessary: End of story. Until the statute book (constitution) say something is legal, the correct assumption or position to adopt is that it is unnecessary. Having said all the above, let me address Tayo Onas. Being educated and "exposed" as l assume you are, judging by your list of factories all over the place, l will draw your attention to the fact that in law, the dictum is that "You can not create legality out of illegality". If it is not legalized in Nigerian Law for EFCC or any of the Federal Enforcement Agencies, to collect 10%, it is a crime to do so and it is nothing but Corruption. Notwithstanding whether FBI and CIA and MI5 collect 50%! The law is the law, it could be an Ass but it is still the law and there are procedures to amend it when necessary. Personally, l would favor an arrangement, devoid of embezzlement and corruption where the "proceeds of crime" are "recycled" to combat crime but it has to be legal, approved and transparent. You can not be the the accuser, the judge and the beneficiary of the judicial remedy, all at the same time! Absolute power they say, corrupts absolutely and that is why we have "The principle of Separation of Powers". On the other hand, why cant Agencies like the EFCC support Lawyers and debt recovery agencies with their "investigative prowess" and in return, the Recovery Agencies pays a "Service Charge" (Percentage could be worked out) to the "Government Coffers" through the Ministry of Finance or CBN, from whence the government would then finance the Agency's efforts? That way, bodies like the EFCC would know that they are doing a job, a responsibility, not because of the lucre but because it is constitutional, rather than for the monetary rewards, which would definitely lead to abuse of power! And whats all that story about "Garment Factory"? I guess you import some cheap garment from China and re-label it as Georgio Armani? Well, l would rather you have a Textile Mill that does real "manufacturing" from raw cotton but then, l dont blame you, you'll probably have to run your "factory" on Diesel Generators! Cant be very profitable!! Next time, dont come here to blow your trumpet, you sound like someone whose lived a life of poverty and suddenly runs into a few quids and then feels he owns the whole of Lagos!(lol) !!!

Posted by UGURUWE JOHN on Nov 08 2009

We hope that someday you good people of nigeria will go beyond the comment, to taking the bull by the horn, our attitude to our father land as gone way past how things should be done to let start doing something. I will love a situation were we could challenge this uncertainties in our land beyond the political system, more uneducated people are finding the way into our power house and the wise one are looking for their rewards here on earth. to you my friends we can change the nation if we could take that step no one dare to take, Good people great nation. God's people leaders with vision is our aim. I love you my NIIJA PPL.

Posted by Enyi aus Germany on Nov 08 2009

Folks lets not lynch this guy (Tayo Onas) for no reason, rather taking a critical look at his "suggestion" he said the 10 pct thing may be the way forward since non of our law enforcement angency is properly funded, i suppose ( due to corruption, mismanagement etc..) he also noted it may not be legal now but, hopes laws ´ll be made to legalise such!. But questions remains on how one could realy ascertain Nigeria upon billions of dollars from monthly oil revenue as BROKE?, even with low numbers of tax payers. please lets give room for opinions at the same time be less abusive to each other,regardless of most of us being bitter with the state of Nigerian state.

Posted by Aminu Ontario on Nov 08 2009

@Deji Saanu...thanks for a brilliant intervention...that garment factory stuff was needless and empty posturing.

Posted by Fortunengr on Nov 08 2009

@Tayo Onas (USA) I still maintain that you are not only an olodo but a complete fool who has lost touch with his father's land, ate too much burger and can’t really think. It is people like you that come back home to take up positions and fail woefully and corruptly enrich themselves, Andy Uba, Fani-Kayoe, Demij Bankole, Ibori, etc are few examples including most of the crooks in the banking sectors who schooled either in the USA or UK. Tayo Onas (USA), I doubt if you know what Nigeria earns yearly from the sale of crude oil "officially" and how much is looted in various ways. For it is very appalling and nonsensical for you to conclude that Nigeria is broke. I don’t know from where you get your figures from and what stupid yardstick you have used. If the govt can’t fund the EFCC then it should be disbanded simple. EFFC is not a revenue generating venture of the government so her collecting 10% of debt recovered is nothing but corruption. If we go by your stupid analysis, the EFCC should be collecting 10% from foreigners they help to recover their money from fraudsters and 419 kingpins, the EFFC should collect 10% from every state government, ministries, council etc it help recovered looted monies from corrupt officials abi, no way you spin head buffoon. Haven’t you heard how some Met Police were fired for stealing some of the money recovered during a raid in North London of drug dealers’ hide-out?? I supposed people like should ask question of where the 10% monies collected by EEFC is remitted to. Are the 10% monies going to the Federation account or EFCC's account? If the 10% monies go to EFCC's account, what is it going to be used for and in which year's budget as 2009 financial year is already ended. For your spin brain you may take time to read this article below and stop supporting corruption by claiming Nigeria is broke: ..."But while those public officials’ annual salaries and allowances accounted for almost 50 percent of the 2009 federal budget of about 3.1 trillion naira, with some of those public officials importing bullet-proof vehicles at scandalous amounts in the midst of sprawling poverty, does the Nigerian government have a conscience? While less than 18,000 public officials in Nigeria take more than 1.2 trillion naira in remuneration only 2 percent of the 3.1 trillion naira of the 2009 federal budget was budgeted for education (that is, less than 0.005 percent of the remuneration of less than 18,000 Nigerians!). Does the nation put the welfare of generally unproductive 18,000 Nigerians above its educational sector, with more than 100,000 lecturers and teachers, and hundreds of thousands of students? Will it not astound even a casual thinker that 18,000 scarcely productive Nigerians, with generally low educational level and thinking clarity, should earn more than 200 times the whole annual votes for the nation’s educational sector for overhead costs, salaries, and maintenance?..." Click this link for full, spin headed Tayo Onas (USA)::::: http://saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4178:troublers-of-nigeria&catid=81:external-contrib&Itemid=300

Posted by Imiete George on Nov 08 2009

YEPARIPA!! Otio! 1. EFCC has no business collecting debts they are a financial crimes commission. If a bank reports a client for economic crimes they should investigate & prosecute if they find a case. 2. EFCC has a budget for operations if they have "finished" the money before now they should do what other institutions do-get a supplementary budget approved for more funds. We have to be careful here- we can't break the law to catch thieves or criminals otherwise we might as well resort to jungle justice. I really hope they are not doing this. If they did so "mistakenly" they should please return the money or it should be deducted from their 2010 budget. By the way where is the current performance report for EFCC. The Chairman presented one sometime back shouldn't we have gotten an update by now as the Act setting up the Commission stipulates?

Posted by Joe on Nov 08 2009

EFCC is behavint true to type. They are corrupt and are susceptible to settlements bu equally corrupt officials. Those who were fighting corruption had been sent packing by corrupt Mrs. Waziri. Should therefore not surprise anyone that they are taking 10% of recoverables. Shame.

Posted by Eccentric on Nov 08 2009

Scubby, I must confess you guys are making the issue personal and not seeing beyond arguements.Tayo made suggestions out of his own opinion and I must say he didnt intend to force it down anyone's throat as though a sweet-bitter pill.Pls it should be a blogging place for opinions to be aired and not argued.I am personally of the suggestion that this be passed into a law.Guess what! This might even be a way of committing the agency's leaders to appropriation.

Posted by ishola williams,MAJ-GEN RETIRED IN BRASILIA on Nov 08 2009

It is from the beginnig that we have said that donot bring in the police into the operations dept of both efcc and icpc.time has proven us right.what mrs farida is doing is a continuation of ribadu was doing and that that is the continuation of i chop and let the police operatives only too chop.when you have the efcc chief executive who is also the chair where is the diiference between the policy direction and the checks by a board and the operations.Bringing in police values and norms hve craeyted a corrupt culture in both icpc and efcc.what do they want to do with the 10% except to chair.It is very rare to get a police officer who can beat the chest and say shake me down,I donot carry any baggage.Those who appointed know.Most journalists donot deal with the fundamentals ie structure and systems of institutions and the the choice in terms of integrity of those who manned them.it is only this way that we can build integrity into our institutions.With the present structure and system efcc and icpc operatives will continue to be bribed and continue to share not only but 20% later.ALL POLICE OPERATIVES MUST LEAVE EFCC AND ICPC.SEPARATE THE CHAIR FROM THE CHIEF EXECCUTIVE,DO SSS SEATRCH ON OPERATIVES.ETC

Posted by Scubby (A Nigerian in Nigeria) on Nov 08 2009

No one is lynching Tayo Onas for no reason. We don't have energy enough to expend on a fellow like him. Clearly the crack he smokes which has made him a millionaire Olodo hasn't been passed on to the likes of me. The guy had nothing to say before knocking the keys of his PC on the head. First he said there is nothing wrong with EFCC slicing a piece of the cake, sorry debt, then when decent Nigerians educated him on the illegality of the action, he went on to say he is a garment millionaire. Who gives a heck about that? I used to think the DEA was an efficient agency but it seems to me it has lost its magic because the likes of Tayo ought to be answering questions on what makes them high!And he dared to use his smoky brain and dry fingers to type that "what I have done for Nigeria in my own little way is more than what you will ever do for the country in your lifetime for the country". @Fortunengr, I have seen many Olodo Nigerians but this one is miraculously Olodo.

Posted by cradinal on Nov 08 2009

a uniquely local situation to a (well) uniquely Nigerian problem. This is not the USA or even Ghana at that. If the EFCC is collecting 10% and the Banks are getting back their otherwise unrecoverable funds, then it works. Legality of the act notwithstanding. Its a rotten system, no argument there, but we've got to move from somewhere.

Posted by Tayo Onas on Nov 08 2009

Enyi aus Germany and Eccentric,thanks for understanding the points I am trying to make,it only takes an intelligent individual few m seconds to understand my points and also understands the fact that NEXT have provided a forum where we can all express our own personal views about anything as we see fit. Olumide,you made intelligent points and observations and I agree with you on some of your points. The fact still remains that Nigeria gets about 90% of her revenue from oil,and we all know the price of oil has not been stable lately, other revenue generating exports are very insignificant,cassava,peanuts and few other things, so how you expect the Govt.to fund EFCC well? and while at the same time provide all the essential services needed for the country of 140,000,000 people, may be more,we can diagree on issues,but where does anyone expect the govt. to get the money from? But I guess when you are so high on cocaine or some hard drugs or you are a 419er or a yahoo boy like fortunengr and scubby or scoobeedoo you'd expect Nig.govt to pluck money from the tree.or you will get very personal and outright rude if you don't have a good point to make. Well,for those of you that say I am blowing my own horns, please, you need to read all the reponses to my comments from the begining and you will know why, I had to make such a statement, I really do not need to impress anyone on this forum and I don't give damn either. Deji let me also clarify few things,the least paid factory worker in my factory in Lagos gets paid N10,000 per month and they are still in trainning and as far as my factory in Nigeria is concerned,I do not import a single raw material from outside the country,I am totally against it, I use made in Nigeria fabrics to make my products.Oh yes,I have two generators that powers my company and I pay a lot of money on diesel and I don't like it at all,all my profits go into buying petrol and diesel to run my business,of course,the Govt, should provide all the essential services,but the govt. cannot do it all. US govt. do not provide power for the American people, private companies do,the more forward thinking we are in Nigeria,the better for the country.Oh yes, I face the corrupt custom officers each time I import manufacturing equipments into the country,I am disgusted and very mad, should I then give up on Nigeria? hell know? but finding solutions and news ways to move Nigeria forward is the best solution.The Chinese,the Indians and the Russians did it and these countries are just as corrupt and bad as Nigeria. Let me be clear once again,I do not condone any form of corruptions in any enviroment,but solutions are what we need,not govt.bashing.It has never worked before. It is pretty easy to play quaterbacks on the sideline,being part of the solution is a hard choice for a lot of basket mouths like furtunengr and scoobie doo. As far as my business in China is concerned,none of the fabrics that I design and produce in my chinese factories do not go to Nigeria,not a single yard,they all go to the US and EU countries, they are not garments if you must know. That is great for a bugger flipper unh? or some Halem dude right?. Attending some unapproved schools in Nigeria or elsewhere in the world, like fortunengr or scoobiedoo did, do not make you an educated person,uneducated people are the only ones that do not respect other people's opinion or views or better yet do not take the time to read and understand other people's comments or views before going nuts.What a shame.

Posted by remostic on Nov 08 2009

views expressd well.me think efcc collectng such percentage defeats d whole purpose. God bless Nigeria.

Posted by Abiodun on Nov 08 2009

This has been a very lively and informing issue.Maturity dictates freedom of opinion and the opportunity to express such without fear.The fact is there is a real problem at hand.The Bank debts have to be recovered,institutions like the Police have to function.The Laws have always been there but moneys,be they stolen or borrowed were not always recovered.What good are Laws when they cannot be obeyed.While it might be desirable to enact Laws backing this so called Ten percent administrative charge,urgent action,if it brings solutions,should be allowed under strict guidelines without statutory backing.The commission so receipted should be strictly accounted for.The overall aim is to get legal backing on the long run for such administrative charges,while ensuring the optimal functioning of our Law enforcement cum prosecuting institutions.Meanwhile if this is what it takes to get the system working,then the supervising Minister could issue special public cover for such actions pending the passage of the necessary Laws.

Posted by GeniuneB on Nov 08 2009

If EFCC is able to get back monies owed banks and they are given 10% for recovery purpose, then I dont see any wrong in this. There will only be a wrong if the money is not utilized for administrative purpose of the EFCC. This can help in acquiring more equipment & payment of salaries. Its better to recover this money than allow it go as bad debts. This money is collected by these individuals and then used to oppress others. That is why you as an honest business person cannot be given a loan, since all have been set aside for themselves.

Posted by harry49 on Nov 08 2009

there is naija factor in everything we do

Posted by furtunengr on Nov 08 2009

“I have since discovered that the very rich, the elite, the political establishmentarians in Nigeria (and perhaps elsewhere) live in their own very insular world. They do not relate to you and I, and are therefore, in the main, unable to truly relate to matters that concerns or bothers us. Their A to Z resides only in that little rich cocoon of theirs with its own peculiar rules and regulations where wealth-based rivalry and profligacy are the norm. They all possess a highly fine-tuned sense of entitlement and never understand why regular people challenge or question this. In fact, quite a lot of them think that the ordinary Nigerian is the problem. They believe that the average Nigerian is an ungrateful and a difficult to manage entity.” The above quote is directed at people like you, it seems you are deaf and dumb or operate from the hemisphere but indeed not in Nigeria. Please kindly list the “essential services” that your padis in government are providing that will stop them from properly funding an agency like EFCC if the government is serious. Spin brains like you can’t derail some of us. If we take into account several ways money is looted out of this country and add them up, block those channels, I tell you even if crude Oil is sold at $30/barrels, this country will survive and survive well. Give me a break, Mr Spin headed Tayo Onas, I can only conclude that you are only here to boast about your so called riches and a careful investigation into the source of your riches will reveal either you have benefited (directly or indirectly) from the corrupt systems through contract inflation or fronting for corrupt politicians or did some dodge deals in the past…give your fast moving mouth a break and stop blabbing here..Contd…. Nigerians have never told you that they wouldn’t pay for good services rendered, they pay astronomical high cal rate for mobile calls (the highest in the world), so Nigerians wouldn’t care who hell is providing them with power supply, as long as the services is there, they are ready to pay either govt or private. It is your political friends in power that not “forward thinking”. It is known that the percentage of cocaine consumption is USA is the highest in the world, so I guess you are suffering from hyper cocaine smoking and sniffing. Your argument lack logic and you nothing but a complete OLODO that eats the fish eye. As my people say “a filled drum of water does not make noise”. …but you are the opposite an empty barrel. I can also see the type school you attended buy claiming that all the profit you earn from your company is used as running capital ie buying diesel and you are still in business, paying salaries and have not declare bankruptcy ..tell us another story. I suspect as much it is either you are fronting/contract inflation/money laundry or into other dodge deals simple. Kindly tell us the positive impact of people like you who claimed to attend “approve” school abroad on the general well being of the nation. What we have witnessed since 1999 when tokunbo people like you started arriving is hyper increase in fraud, corruption and other vices with increasing sophistication. You count yourself lucky that when you were into scams the white men eyes were not as open as at today, so you got away with it, and today you claim you are a business man, many of your abound. EFFC collecting 10% by itself and pocketing it without remittance to the Federation account or finance ministry is fraud and corruption there is no two way to it..OK. EFFC where is your 2009 report??????????

Posted by Ibrahim Dikko, Scotland on Nov 08 2009

With due respect, i have a question for those of you for fell that the EFCC has no right in benefiting for rendering its government approved services to help about to collapse banks from the money they have hitherto manage to scheme from the public. This money would have otherwise been lost forever. EFCC would have paid Lawyers and its roll of staff billions over years to recover the same or lower amount without even the promptness EFCC is doing. I believe that in civilised countries as well as developed countries EFCC does not need government funding to execute its activities. EFCC is doing a service to the banks and therefore they should pay for it. It is not the responsibility of the Tax payers that the MDs and CEOs of these banks were gambling with their banks money. Bodies like NAFDAC, NDIC, SEC and NNPC and many others should actually be spinning money for the government rather than being a drain to our economy. At this juncture, i will suggest something out of the ordinary, the universities have fail in fulfilling their responsibilities in providing advance level education fopr our nation. Please start learning from EFCC to avoid total educational decay in Nigeria.

Posted by obalola on Nov 08 2009

Guys, pls be fair enough to Tayo Onas by allowing him his fundamental right of freedom of speech. @Tayo Onas, most of us are annoyed for you saying Nigeria is poor & broke. Please be informed that our problem is that Nigeria is too rich. Why did you think our politicians have turned Murderes in the name of winning election at all cost. Its our superlative wealth & Nigerians legendary level of foolishness that promotes corruption in Nigeria. NIGERIA IS NOT POOR OR BROKE!!!. Take our National budget i.e FGN+States+LGs and deduct corruption from it. or Add the revenue i.e all FGN+States+LGs and deduct infrastructer Asset created that year then the balance would give you our annual National corruption figure. Mr Onas, EFCC legal mandate to recover ill gotten money including Banks Bad Debts is not contestable but the institution lacks the legal & moral right to deduct 10% of such recoveries. If it is allowed to stand soon you would read of our prison officials collecting accomodation fee from the prisoners! If we can all rise up to the evil servants (Nigeria Civil Servants) and their delvish employers (the politicians),we are surely on the path to recovery. Mr Onas, I actually wish to commend your investment in Nigeria because if the bastards stealing our money could even managed to invest it in Nigeria our situation would not be this hopeless. Imagine the refineries in Nigeria not functioning but the ones they stole our money to built in Cote d voire, South Africa, Brasil etc are working (ask James Ibori & Lucky Igbinedion)yet they granted license to their friends to import refined fuel the price of which they want to raise in the guise of deregulation. Mr Onas imagine stolen crude(ask Niger Delta Militants) from our our oil wells to refineries built with stolen Nigeria funds back to Nigeria as finished products to be sold at some price determined by the same robbers, in fact this is enonomics from hell.Mr Onas this and more informed contributors annoyance at your submission. I wish you more success in your enterpreneuship pusuit in Nigeria and please help talk to others to come back with more new factoroies and offices as well. @Major General Ishola, please help plead with your friends to stop appointing policemen to sensitive institutions like ICPC, EFCC & CO. Our Police ability to turn black to white in day light is a test case in paradox. Anyway, I rejoice with Nigerians cos this is the dawn of our healing from self inflicted madness. Thank you all for making my sunday night so great.

Posted by olumide on Nov 09 2009

@ obalola. Nigeria is poor, I repeat it again, Nigeria is poor. The sooner we realise this and start dealing with the issue the better for all of us. The country just does not make enough money even from oil to do anything tangible. It is one issue people are not aware of or do not want to address. South Africa annually makes 3 times what Nigeria makes and they do not have crude oil. You talk about the budgetary allocation but did you know that the UK's budgetary allocation to Health alone,110 billion pounds is more than our whole budget. And have you noticed how if the budget is implemented we will almost definitely run into a deficit? This is why Yaradua will never implement the budget, this is why they are always looking for more ways to free up money for themselves to chop. The money no plenty as we dey think. If I got the news right, money was actually printed to 'bail' out the banks, creating ghost funds. We cant afford the bail out from the nation's coffers. See, the reason we feel the corruption is because the money is too small, if the money were as much as we think, then the scenario should be like that of the ant that falls into a sac of sugar, it should be overwhelmed. What we have is 1 cube of sugar and 17 giant ants.Think about it, with all our oil money south africa still makes more money than us, this is based on how much oil is exported minus corruption. Nigeria does not make enough money, definitely not enuff to cater to 140 million people. We need to make more money.I cant say it enuff, we need to make much more money than we are making now.And the thng now is the whole world is going green and it's just going to be a matter of time before some lab rat discovers energy from something we dont have a lot of, then you, I and everybody will be screwed.

Posted by Tayo Onas on Nov 09 2009

Olumide, where ever you are, may God bless you abundantly.You are so right, you can see through all these rubbish going on. When Nigerians go to the eastern part of China, Shanghai,Hangzhou,zhezen and many others mega cities and see the unimaginable growth and economic explotion going on in there, they will then realize that Nigeria, just do not have enough money to implement much.There is just no other country in the entire world that is developing at the rate that China does. Shanghai's economic strength is probably much bigger than Nigeria's,It is simply mind blowing,the high-rise in this city is more that all the New-york and Chicago high rise put together two times over.and you what? they do not have oil, as far as I know. But they do not generate income from one source, but multiple sources, their system is not perfect either,but they all work so hard to build a better country for them selves and it feels so good to see other countries like China make their system work.

Posted by Tayo Onas on Nov 09 2009

Mr Obalola,oh what a right thinking individual you are, your opinion is well taken,We all have to make Nigeria work for us and other folks, We have to start from somewhere, but it will make more sense to have a meaningful solutions to our problems,rather than shooting down all new ideas or thoughts in the universe as some of us sometimes do. Personally, I feel that if we can have a well funded, well paid, law enforcement agencies like the police and the EFCC, put money in the re-trainning of these officers on a yearly basis. Half of the corruptions will go away in the country, but it will all cost huge amount of money, I just do not know where Nigeria will get the money from,yes,oil is just one main source, granted some of the money are constantly stolen. We need solutions, not mud slinging.

Posted by TATA on Nov 09 2009

@general ishola williams at brasilia...so we should bring in the army? police eat and leave a little but army commandeers everything...look at your living generals...obasanjo, ibb and abubakar...please leave police and army matter..soldier dey thief he no dey fear god....we are talking of financial crimes in a civilian setting...you did not make comments on akure 27 did you?

Posted by Tayo Onas on Nov 09 2009

Hey! fortunetellerngr the difference between you and I is that you probably went to a night school in a remote village in Nigeria and I did not. I do know there many problems in Nigeria,I have also experienced some of these evils at the customs, at the airports and even on Nigerian roads,more than you. The fact is, I am still smart enough to realize the fact that Nigeria do not have much money to achieve all her objectives. I am not rich by the way, all I did was to make a commitment years ago to do the best I can in my capacity for the country, rather than shooting down everyone in Nigeria. I saved my hard earned money for over twenty years to purchased my manufacturing equipments that are being used in my factory in Nigeria,I spent all my life savings to create jobs for the jobless,I do not go about spending money on useless things like you do,girlfirnds, Tokunbo cars, Tokunbo clothes and many other frivolous things. I think of my people the poor and the weak Nigerians everytime, that is why I have invested all my life savings on projects in Nigeria.I could have saved the money like some people do,but I love Nigeria that much to gamble on her. By the way, I don't have friends or anyone in high places in Nigeria and I don't need anyone there either to be able to do the right thing for Nigeria. Yes,I have some friends in some of the banks, but I never asked them to give me loans or support my business,I need money for my operations in Nigeria, but I will not beg or compromise my integrity for money like you do.If I need money, I work hard for it.Yes,I come to Nigeria twice or thrice a year,oh! did I say I am planning to move back to Nigeria very soon to be part of the solution and not to critize everything and everyone in the country.Please, read what other right thinking and intelligent Nigerians are saying here,think out of the box,you need money to run operations, money do not fall from the tree, you ignorant fool. It is not enough to just say Nigeria has money because of the oil and gas revenue, look at the population and the size of the country, idiot. Yes,Nigeria has a lot of issues that have to be addressed,but you cannot be stuck in your own little world to think that Nigeria has to operate the same way as they have been doing for over 50 years. If you want to change Nigeria your own way, please run for elections and effect the changes you desire overnight and be a hero. Please, when you get elected,do not forget to make Nigeria a first class country with the oil revenue alone. To educate you a bit mr fortunetellerngr. Nigeria's 2008 budget estimates: Revenue- $29.49 billion Expenditures-$30.61 billion public debt. 12.2 % GDP per capita Nigeria-$2,300. 140 million people China $6,000- over 1.3 billion people South Africa. $10,100 India. $2,900- over 1 billion people Egypt. $5,400 Cameroon. $2,900 USA-$46,900- over 300 thousand people if does not educate you enough that Nigeria do not have money, nothing will.Please,digest these info slowly,they may be hazadous to your health.I know you are slow learner.

Posted by GAGA on Nov 09 2009

The money is big so they will raise all the reasons and research to get approval of the NGN17.1B if the amount is small it may not get the second reading but this one just let us watch and see... for me efcc maybe wrong but who is the thief and who is the owner street boy or Lagos factory owner ... when it comes to big amount like this it has never fail to get approval..... am sure just lets start thinking of how to backup the speedy wave of approval or it may just die down after a lot of noise... one more thing on the internet its easy to drive a car with out hitting anything but when it comes to real road many have accident GOD BLESS NIGERIA

Posted by Big Boss on Nov 09 2009

Nothing wrong here. 10% is called service charge.

Posted by Erus on Nov 09 2009

EFCC Plc, shares selling soon

Posted by Nigerian on Nov 09 2009

Can I suggest that we find out the appropriate piece of legislation/regulation that suggests this is illegal? NEXT 234 unbiased investigative and complete journalists would quote the sections/sub-sections of the law that backs their allegations. Clearly you didn't do that. It saddens me that Nigerians are turning fickle minded, we celebrate mediocrity and like Tayo said, all we want to do is just talk and talk and talk as well as compare our methods to US and UK. Newsflash, having bad loans in the UK and US is a purely civil matter between the banks and their debtors unless the loans were obtained under false pretense or a fake identity. The police or other security agencies will NEVER be used to collect bad loans on behalf of private sector banks. Neither are lawyers used the banks use Bailiffs, Licensed bounty hunters and repo (reposession) men. These are all private individuals and companies and they retain at least 10% of all takings. The police will not waste their resources abroad to help you or a private company like i said out of a mess you put yourself in unless there was fraud. Now I know a lot of so called 'poor' nigerians who took loans to buy shares and used the shares/stocks as collateral and have refused to pay up... their excuse being....'Afterall the bank used the stocks as collateral' Should the EFCC go after you too. Yes our security agents are corrupt and after reading Tayo Onas's comment I am ashamed to say I agree with him. In the UK the least earning police officer starts with £21000.00 p.a they also work shifts and get paid for overtime, they also are assisted with downpayments for mortgages. US also is not a different story. Now until Okiro became IG in 2007 the police officer you saw on the road asking for 20 naira was earning 7,500.00 naira. Even after Okiro's salary increase they earn N27,500.00. You give a grown man a gun put him on the road and pay him N27,500.00 who are we kidding here? You expect him to be honest, incorruptible when he has a family at home to feed? Nigerians let's stop comparing them to more advanced countries until they have been placed on equal footing OK!!! And if you obstruct justice, police investigations or do false emergency calls, you pay the police in the US and UK for wasting their time. You also pay admin charges to courts/other security agencies to obtain information on criminal records. These countries make money from these charges and taxes. Most of you here invade taxes and all charges too.

Posted by Tayo Onas(USA) on Nov 09 2009

It is very ironic that Mr. Andrew Young an American will come to Nigeria and tell us exactly some of the points I was making yesterday.Nigeria is not a perfect country, but please,let's make it work for all of us,the govt, cannot do it all, it is not enough to critize and condemn everyone,let's see how we can make Nigeria work. Please, read Mr. Young's take about us and our country. enjoy this piece. Former United States of America’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Mr. Andrew Young, has charged Nigerians to believe in themselves, be united and love one another so as to make the country great. Young said this while delivering a lecture entitled “What is wrong with Nigeria?”, at the maiden convocation ceremony of Bells University of Technology, Ota, Ogun State on Friday. He said Nigerians should henceforth stop criticising or finding faults with one another and asked them to appreciate the Nigerian culture. Young said, “What is wrong with Nigerians is that Nigerians don’t like Nigerians. You don’t like yourselves. Nigerians should start celebrating themselves. “Unfortunately, all of you (Nigerians) know what is wrong with Nigeria and that is what is wrong with Nigeria. “If I say now that Nigeria will become one of the most economic powers you won’t believe it and that is what is wrong with Nigeria. “We can always find what is wrong with us. It is when we start seeing what is right with our brothers and sisters and work as a team that we will move on. “You are great people and you don’t know it. So let us celebrate Nigeria and its wonderful people.” “In the United States, we have put less emphasis on government, instead we put strong emphasis on the private sector because that is where the money is and Nigeria needs to do same.” The guest speaker noted that Nigeria as a country widely known across the globe must place emphasis on government and also encourages strong government-private partnership. He contended that there was something seriously wrong with Nigeria as a nation, urging government at all levels to always provide conducive environment for private business to thrive. The lecture which had in attendance the former president of Ghana, Mr. John Kuffour, the proprietor of the institution and immediate past president of Nigeria, Chief Olusegun Obasanjo, and other distinguished personalities, was held at the Multi-Purpose Hall of the University

Posted by Tayo Onas(USA) on Nov 09 2009

Mr Nigerian,thanks,for your observation,it takes an intelligent individual to see some of the points I was making.Talk is cheap,but we have plenty of it in Nigeria.

Posted by fuguez on Nov 09 2009

I will do it for 5%!!

Posted by Nigerian on Nov 09 2009

Thank you Tayo but it is actually. Miss Nigerian

Posted by Tayo Onas(USA) on Nov 09 2009

miss Nigerian,I stand corrected.

Posted by obalola on Nov 10 2009

@Tayo Onas, I honestly appreciate your concerns for Nigeria and to my beloved brother Olumide, thanks for your analysis. However you guys should note that even the insane in Nigeria would not compare our economic capacity with UK nor South Africa cos they are already on auto pilot. My dear brothers, wealth is not calculated alone in terms of Cash. I wish you guys can convince us that Nigeria is lacking in natural resources and in Human Capital when compared with the mentioned countries. My dear Tayo Onas, Andrew Young was addressing a very wrong audience. The Youruba Bible known as BIBELI MIMO says ``Ki ina maa jo lenu oni iwaasu, omo orun apaadi yoo maa mura ni`` meaning no matter the evangelists effort a hell bound congregation shall not be convinced. Obasanjo and his gang shall never repent from squadring of our riches. Afterall it was under his nose that his State Gov & other top state functionaries turned the state house into a shrine and they were made to pledge loyalty to themselves and not the state. Is that how Govt affairs is run in UK and South Africa? Thank God Andrew Young spoke at The Bell University. I was at Otta today for about 8 hours searching for a space for office location, my dear brothers it is an understatement to say the roads in otta looks like those path shown by CNN in Afghanistan/Pakistan hills. Iam sure Calverton Helicopters airlifted the man from Maryland in Ikeja to The Bell in otta; meanwhile otta is the Industrial home of Ogun State. Why are our companies relocating to Ghana? why is it that Ukraine, Malaysia etc have become our students destination of choice for higher education? why is it that our railways that was established more than 100 years ago would not work again, why would there be no electricity in Nigeria (even God says let there be light), why should we be blessed with crude oil yet we import refined fuel from Cote d Voire, why is it that our Doctors and Nurses have all relocated, why is it that we have 2nd largest concentration of Bitumen in the world and our roads are impassable, why is it that our refineries never works. My brothers, if our natural resources are not being optimised,if the companies are relocating to Ghana & Liberia, if our Banks are not supporting good business initiatives,if our best brains- yes our best eleven (11) are in other climes supporting foreign Governments (Tayo Onas thanks again for that your Garment Factory in Lagos) if each and every family have become a local govt that provides personal security, electricity, private education, private health care, private mortuary and even private cemetry then what else would you want the ordinary Nigerian do again? Please, how many Govt elected officials runs their Regions in South Africa like James Ibori of Delta State, Olusegun Agagu of Ondo State, Saminu Turaki of Jigawa state? or where is it in Europe, America or Asia where it was legislated that 15% of Govt revenue be paid to a certain private institution as consultancy fee? My brothers, with the flaunted wealths of UK, South Africa, USA and even China, I pray may they never have elected leaders like Joshua Dariye, Alams of Bayelsa, the Anambra gangs and their comrades in Nigeria Governors Forum. In four years these guys can ruin any economy. Nigeria is a VERY WEALTHY COUNTRY as destined by God but our very owns in Army Khaki and Civilian Agbada with the evil servants employed to serve them have covenanted to pauperise her.Nigerians are not lazy, remove corruption and bad leadership from our system just for 10 years, South Africa and others wont see our brake light again. But thank God this is the dawn of Nigeria`s rebirth and the train is moving already. Love you guys.

Posted by BIG BOSS on Nov 10 2009

@ obalola. My brother thanks for an excellent write up. I am convinced you belong to Nigeria's first eleven. My only addition to your piece and I will keep emphasizing this; unless we all good people of a great Nation stand up and protest, the slide will continue. Let me give an example: For over ten years the Benin-Shagamu road has been in a deplorable state and everybody knows, yet we do nothing about it. We only complain. Suddenly the air traffic to Benin increased and we created business for the airlines. The trend usually is that towards the end of each year, a senior government officials visits the worst part of the road either cries or makes a senseless statement goes away and arranges for some hardcore to be used in patching the failed sections so that the traffic jam will be eased for Xmas. The following year, the road is again washed off and the cycle continues. In other climes, all stakeholders (that means everybody who owns a motorised vehicle) will drive their vehicles out to the various sections of the road pack them there blocking the road for two days. With the attendant publicity and chaos, the sleeping government in Abuja will wake up and do something. I read in Next that journalists in the southeast are planning a hunger strike to protest the bad roads in that region. This is good. They should move out from the planning stage and the threats to action. I admit that protests are coming up like the one against Ibori at the Institute for International Affairs and the one to light up Nigeria, but we need to do more. Good people of a great nation, talking is good, but these people are near deaf and you need cannons to wake them up. Our country is moving steadily towards a bottomless pit and the consequence of our silent complicity is dire. Now the government that has not given its citizens anything wants to deregulate. The arguments for deregulation has been the same since 1992 being: that the savings from the subsidy will be used to rebuild the refineries, repair the roads, improve power generation, improve health care, create employment, improve the education sector etc yet everything is going south. The only thing our President has said to us in the last six months is that deregulation must go on. Nothing else that is happening in the country and around the world does not seem to bother him. Fellow good people of a great Nation the ball is really in our court.

Posted by d2 on Nov 10 2009

This is true, i have a family friend whose N10m recovered by EFCC is still been witheld for over 2 months with all sort of flimsy excuses that the Director to sign off is not available. They have equally hinted him of the compulsory 10%. EFCC Chairman and PRO can not feign ignorance as corruption is now a norm.

Posted by Tayo Onas on Nov 10 2009

Great opinion obalola,we'll get to the promised land someday.Let's keep the hope alive. Tayo

Posted by Austine Uche Ejeke on Nov 10 2009

NEXT you like gossip so much. This is a shoddy report as far as am concerned; all the confirming authorities you are supposed to get confirmation you did not. What we read were just hear say. This is not good for your new newspaper. Get your readers documentary proofs and hardcore evidence in this kind of story as it’s is very sensitive and can affect our nationhood and stability. Mention names and publish them or be damned. Am not saying that efcc is a saint organization, but it may not be the official line of the institution to take 10%. If few corrupt officials are extorting money, that is a different case altogether and there should be no need for this kind of generalizations

Posted by d2 on Nov 10 2009

this is true. i have a first hand info on this.

Posted by Ayoka on Nov 11 2009

So what is the noise about? Why is Jiti Ogunye pontificating? All lawyers know that if you carry debt recovery matters to the Police, they will ask for a percentage of the recovered sum. If EFCC does it, why is it strange? Afterall most of their staff were seconded from the Police. even Aunty Farida was once a Police officer. Dear NEXT, if you can't do an undercover story with videos and concrete evidence, please look for something else to use as a screaming headline.

Posted by Olu Omo on Nov 18 2009

Am amazed at the naivety of some of our commentators here. If you engage a lawyer to recover your debt for you, certainly you must pay for his services. 10% is not cast on stone for them. It depends on your negotiating ability but 10% just appears as the max rate for this. Same with a debt recovery agent. Both lawyers and debt recovery agents takes months even years to get done what EFCC and Police take only weeks to do, so the question is which one do you engage as an institution? The commission paid is legal, you may check you tax law as the fees are chargeable to you PL as an expense. I just wonder why the case of Springbank is so special that it's only the bank NEXT can call for information and get it. I saw a part where the PHB staff seconded there were termed as gold diggers. I just wonder where the gold, besides, i hope you all know that to identify gold is not an easy task not to even talk of digging it.If NEXT have information that the staff have enriched themselves, they should present it otherwise they should stop whipping up unnecessary sentiments. Stop playing on readers emotions pls.



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